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#61
that click is normal its where the power is switched on to the port when you plug in the headphones.

hum I wonder if the digital out is also the pre amped headphone port, that would make sense
if the sound is that different but I will also give a tip on creative yours should have this setting as well.
click start, control panel, sounds. click the speakers sb xfi and then click properties, click tone and there you will see a
bass and treble setting, those are direct settings for the card and applied system wide.
they do make things sound a whole lot better then the EQ in some players.
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#62
i read the manual and it said its a headphone jack 2-in-1 S/PDIF digital out. it also has a headphone icon on it, so i just assumed i use it for headphones. when i went into sound i only found speakers that said realtek high def audio. i also checked the site to see audio options, turns out any additional audio they offered were external or usb audio.

ive noticed if it goes into hibernation, which is set to hibernate after 180mins, when i go to wake it from hibernation the screen remains black so i have to turn it off then back on. should i just disable it? what could possibly be causing it to do that?
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#63
that's very strange because the screen shot you sent me showed it was using the creative not realtek
the other thing I can think of is creative working with realtek to provide a xfi sound with a realtek chipset.
now that's not as strange as it may seem as they did the same thing on some upper asus boards but
used the adi ( soundmax ) chipset on the onboard sound but it was still classed as a creative card.

confused the hell out of a lot of people including me till I stripped one down and looked at the
chipset being used. it was a creative name on the card ok but the heart of it was soundmax and it would only run
on a soundmax driver.

that maybe the same case with your laptop and I may have to dig in to it a little to try and find the answer.

now hibernation problems have dogged windows since day 1 I don't know why they offer it as its never worked that well
its down to your video card not waking fully from sleep.
when a pc or laptop comes out of hibernation windows resets the video card driver like it would if the driver stops working
this should restart the video card.
it does not always work so the screen remains blank despite the rest of the laptop waking.
windows is too thick to notice the video card is now not working so carries on as if nothing is wrong.

the only real thing you can do to try and sort that problem is try and update your video card driver
and see if that sorts out the problem if not disable hibernation mode.

for some reason windows 10 is even worse for that known problem it maybe down to the fact that a lot of windows 10 drivers
are rushed out and not fully tested or its down to the built in windows update drivers for your video card
Microsoft like to override any third party driver with their own crappy buggy drivers.

these days Microsoft like to think they know better then the likes of AMD Nvidia e.t.c on whats works and what don't on the GPU, we all know they don't.

even AMD and Nvidia have released some drivers that are complete rubbish so how Microsoft think they know better is beyond me.
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#64
heres the model laptop NP9172 (P775DM3-G)

i just decided to disable hibernation, ive updated the video card driver, did a clean install when i received it.
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#65
it list's your HD as a m2 slot Gen3 x4 interface I would be very interested to know what hard drives they shipped
that laptop with.
if they put in a normal m2 card you won't be getting the best possible speeds that interface can give you.
Samsung, tooshiba G3 or G5, Kingston hyper x will all use that m2 slot fully and your talking about 2000mb a second here
so its best you have the correct drive.
you can check it by device manager

I have the Toshiba xg3 and when tested it gave me very fast speeds indeed Read 2,398
Write 1,080 Mixed 1,328 but I had to run it  by a plug in card as my built in
m2 slot does not support gen 3 well it does but gigabyte are too dam lazy to bring out a bios update for the z97 board so the bios can't even see
the card in the m2 slot.

for your own peace of mine stop windows 10 updates loading its own drivers over yours.
this is how you do it.
right click start button, select control panel , System , advanced system settings , hardware,
device installation settings ,
Select "No let me choose what to do " , Select "Never install driver software from windows update"
now save changes and exit

then check what driver windows is using from device manager, make sure its the update driver you installed
if not reinstall your driver.

that's a nice laptop it reminds me of when I had my xps built I went for every top option they had at the time
its served me well over the years and I won't part with it for anything as I love my trusty old heavy brick of a laptop.


now remember what Microsoft said the surface pro is the tablet that can replace your laptop, yeah right lol
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#66
I have a Samsung 850 Evo m.2 SSD and HGST 1TB hdd, I opted to upgrade to a nvme drive later when i have some extra cash. Will I have a problem with windows 10 if i switch out the ssd? Thats what the OS is installed on. I couldnt be too picky at the time of ordering, but atleast I can upgrade those parts easily down the road. I also didnt get a fancy 4k 120hz monitor, I don't really see any benefit to a 4k 17 inch monitor, its too small for me lol. The only thing i cared about was getting a decently powerful processor since this is supposed to replace my i7 4790k desktop. So far its pretty good performance wise, so I'm happy with it as of now. I'm unsure if the processor and graphics card are interchangeable, i've seen other models of this brand that show that all parts are actually interchangeable and not soldered to the board, I'm kind of hoping my components aren't soldered, if they are ah well. I would check, but I'm afraid it would void my warranty. I believe that changing any parts would also void my warranty, which is kind of a bummer, but I'll check with the reseller about that.

Thanks for that driver tip, I hate when windows installs their outdated junk drivers. I had forgotten about that little trick lol.

I'd take by laptop any day over a surface pro tablet, even if it weighs 8lbs, totally worth the extra weight lol. I'm not much of a tablet user, if I do anything its usually on my desktop or in this case beefy laptop.

also, do you think an antivirus is needed these days? debating if i should install one
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#67
depends on how its built my own xps yes I can swap out the cpu and gfx but only up to a point,
like a pc they should be on a socket but a laptop socket can be very limited on support as intel do like a socket change.
the only real way to find out is to download the service manual in fact I might look for it myself as I think I may well understand it
a little better so if you run in to problems I can advise on what to do and what to look for.

I can't see any reason why you would have a problem with windows 10 on a newer drive, just do a full disk clone from the old to the new
the smaller the monitor the sharper the picture its always been that way as they have to make the pixels smaller.
I doubt very much you would see any real difference between 1080i over 4K on such a small screen
experts in the field would disagree with that but hell its the end people such as us that have to pay for it not them.
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#68
So I found out that I am allowed to add my own storage drives if I want without voiding warranty, I know that many don't allow it. I am glad they don't mind me opening it up and adding to it if needed. Where could I find the service manual to this model? I believe I can fit another m.2 drive and maybe another 2.5 drive as well if I need to.
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#69
contact them again and ask about the manual but use a little common sense here.
as they have already said its ok to add another drive ask them for the full service manual because
you want to make sure you do it the correct way and fit the drive in the correct slot.
dell gave me mine without a problem as I told them I want to keep my laptop spotless of dust
because I live in a area of high dust levels.
they almost took my arm off giving me that manual as they knew if its kept clean it won't break down
or be sent back for repair

that manual will also be of help as it will list what is the fastest slots to use for your drives and which are
just standard sata 3

for info the site might just drop on and off line for a while, there is nothing I can do to stop it as
BT the company that owns the lines and exchanges in the uk are laying new cables in the area of my server.
don't worry as the server will remain on its just the line that's dropped and if they get their act together the site will come
straight back up the second they reconnect the line.
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#70
So I got to do some more testing to see how hot it gets. It gets really hot, it started to throttle when i initiated a cpu and gpu stress test. the gpu is fine hitting around 70-75c but the cpu on the other hand hovers around the 90c range and hitting 100c then throttling to cool down. I read that many people delid their i7 6700k and i7 7700k to fix the issue and get 10-20c drops in temp. Although, i rather not go through the trouble.

Also, the only manual they gave me was the same one that came with the computer.

okay, i messed with the super limited fan speeds and seemed to help a little. still hovering 88-90c though. but didn't see thermal throttling in the first few minutes like before. Oddly enough the fans never go 100% it would rather throttle than go full fan speed.. I only know this cause theres a preset for the fan called maximum and its quite loud. i haven't done a test with max fan speed though. dunno if i'd want to hear the fans that loud if im working lol
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#71
you managed to answer your own question there.
the public don't want to hear a fan going 100% because those little fans can be dam loud
so most laptop companies set a max of 70 to 80% and then allow intel to throttle the cpu just
so the laptop can remain quite.

yes that delid has been around for years and I don't like that idea what so ever.
that lid is there to protect the cpu die from pressure of the heatsink, without it your putting direct pressure
on the die and that can cause a whole heap of trouble.
some people lap there lid that's the better idea but don't go mad with it, what ever you do its breaking the T/C of the laptop
so if it breaks down you don't have a leg to stand on as they would not repair it for you.

a i7 being pushed to 100% would heat up pretty quick and the small heatsink and heat pipes won't cope
with it.

get your self a cooling tray as I think your going to need it over the coming summer months.
it will help cool off the bottom of the laptop and help with the over all cooling
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#72
Yeah, I would rather not void my warranty because of it, I seem to have an idea of what temperatures will be now and its not too bad, though it could be better. I can only imagine this laptop with dual GPUs in SLi like 2 1070s let alone a single 1080. It must get much hotter lol. Temps are fine when doing casual stuff, with it hovering around the high 30c on the cpu and the gpu in the mid 30c. So I think it will be fine, the cooling pad helps a bit as well. Its not bad since my ambient temps are usually around the 26-30c mark.

Also is there any reason to have an antivirus these days? Or should I still run one just incase. I hear many people say that windows10 is fine without it. If its not needed I'd rather just uninstall it, but I do still use malwarebytes myself if anything.
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#73
oh my yes please get a anti virus, don't even think that windows 10 will protect its self as Microsoft despite now owning Norton still
can't make a reasonable anti-virus.

these days I use panda free anti virus and so far so good no problems what so ever.
I found that AVG, Zonealarm, Norton e.t.c are now so bloated with crap that's not needed that they slow the computer down.
panda is the only one that does not have all that bloat ware I just hope they keep it that way.
I want a anti -virus to do just that and spyware I will use malwarebytes but with that said that is also going the bloated road these days
but no as bad as some of the others.

I had a direct lightning strike to the house last week frighten the living hell out of everyone, thank Christ I had a lightning rod fitting to the house
when it was built but by Christ the thunder that followed it rattled everything insight.
real nasty I must admit but I am right on the coast here so I have been ultra lucky not to get struck before.

you may have noticed the site has been down for a while, one of Microsoft half baked windows 7 updates screwed my server big time.
its taken me a while to reimage it by remote and update all the forums server software at the same time.
all seems stable at the moment that is till they do it again.
you would think they would test such things but not these days they just throw them out the door without any real testing.

was not just the site it also crashed one of the servers in the station so that took me a while to get that one running again and track down
which update was causing me the problems.
temps are starting to climb to the mid 30's here we are not far off high summer if its already hitting 30+ at this time of the year I don't want to
see what next month will bring us.
we touched 54c last year and it stayed around that mark for three months, nothing but sun and blue sky that was unbearable for a red head like me, my temper was like tissue paper most days.
ola despite being Nigerian moaned his ass off about the heat and that did not help my temper as I was just as hot.
I stay in the computer room when its like that as that's the coolest room in the house I have it set to 16c.
the whole house stays around 23 to 25c with the aircon going flat out but if it breaks down like it did once last year
it gets real hot real quick and is a sod to cool back down.
a 1 horse power compressor and its starting to struggle.

I think if you sat in my garden in high summer and played a game on your nice new laptop it would fry lol
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#74
Alright, time to disable windows defender since it starts up when I turn on my pc oddly, even when most of its components are already disabled due to having an AV already installed.

I did noticed the site was down for a bit, but I can't say I'm surprised that it was due to ms bs updates. I hate how I can't control when it downloads updates because sometimes I am using satellite internet which gives me only so much data per month. Alot of the times I just end up switching the wifi off. But its good to see the site back up even though im sure it was a pain to deal with.

I don't think this laptop could survive too long in the hot, here humidity and the heat can be real issues for my pc. One of my older PCs I had some time ago suffered a bit from the humidity alone and the case actually started to corrode, not to mention the copper inside and some of the metal contacts. It was pretty awful
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#75
this will be of interest to you with your metered connection
https://www.howtogeek.com/226722/how-whe...indows-10/

yeah heat is really building out here now, my skin is already a nice pink.
I never ever tan I just go bright pink and then burn and blister and its dam painful I can tell you.
over the summer all the freckles on my arms and face get much bigger in size and start to join.
my body is doing its best to protect its self, its never enough and with my skin I have to be ultra careful
of skin cancer.
factor 50 cream allows me no more then ten mins in direct sun in the summer.
guess I am one of those people which are not built for this island lol
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